"KILLINURE" or "KILLYNURE"
Co. Armagh
On this page, I am assembling photos, information
and links to information all relating to Killynure, home to the
OLIVER, JACKSON & BROWN family (plus others to be sure!).
Sharon Oddie Brown. December 5, 2004.
Updated: February 7, 2007
Updated March 31, 2010. Added 1714 Archbiships notes as well as St. Marks burials of COUSERs connected to Killynure.
Updated August 22, 2011 Comparison of 1835 and 1864 maps
Updated June 30, 2016 Errors fixed, and details of GRIFFITHS added.
For a rough map, see Map of Environs of Killynure &Maghery
To situate the Townland of Killynure in Co. Armagh,
see: Map
of Lisnadill
See also 1911 Census of Killynure
See also: The Fight for Killynure.
July 4, 2016 A post on my blog site all about Killynure - with photos.
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This photo of Killynure House is probably abt. 1892, based on the ages of the children and that the roses have had time to grow to the heights that they have. (Photo Courtesy of Dianne BROWN). The house itself can be
seen today a few hundred feet off the road at the end of a lane
bracketed by towering chestnut trees. It is close to two miles
past Milford on the road to Monaghan, in a dip in the landscape
popularly known as "Brown's Hollow". Amanda KNOX's parents
bought the house when Blin
BROWN had to sell (because of advancing age and difficulty
of upkeep). They bequeathed one half shares each to Amanda and
her husband Edgar. NOTE: Sadly, Edgar died in 2013, and Amanda died in 2015 - both much too young. They had no children, and in her will, Amanda left the house to Natalie McClelland, a daughter of a dear friend of hers. Edgar and Amanda had always treated Natalie as one of their own - a child of the heart. Years ago Amanda had told me that the house should go to Natalie. Without knowing this, Natalie had cared for Amanda in her declining years |
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This is a contemporary aerial shot of Killynure
House. The original red brick home is the home built by
Thompson Brown and the outbuildings to the immediate east (right)
predate it and may include the original bungalo home of the
OLIVER family, now used for agricultural purposes or storage.
The curved roof structures as well as the white outbuildings
in front of them are modern. The brick house was finished by June 1883.
The map of the townland of Killynure is split between two
maps: Ord 3:16 &
3:12.
See PRONI VAL/2A/2/12A. When I was last at PRONI, I couldn't read the details
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The redbrick house shown above was built by Thompson
BROWN(E) in 1883 and is just above the main Monaghan-Armagh
road. The house that preceeded it was a typical Irish bungalow, probably built with a
thatched roof. The orchard shown to the west of the house was removed
in the mid-1960's and is now planted in productive pasture. Edgar & Amanda
KNOX,
the current co-owners, remember the trees being very old and non-bearing.
The property is still bordered by the old "March Hedge" -
the name given to the hedge that the owner or his hired help would
walk around as part of ensuring the safety of their property.
I was told that before 1835, the time of this map, the old Monaghan Road
had run behind the house at the top of the property and past
the home to the east that would have belonged to the MENARY family.
I cannot corroborate this. I was also told that there was a hill called "School
Hill" to the north of Killynure House. The oral history is that a school
there had been started by the Jackson sisters (I know nothing
more of this enticing bit although the number 276 is likely roughly where
it was). Nanogh Hill was also North-East of the House. The fields
which surrounded the house were called "Orchard
Field" (where the orchard was) and the part that was east of the lane at the front
of the house was called "Bush Field" with "Marlow Field" to
the west of the lane.
"Cousers Corner" is in the south-west corner. |
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The soil that the KNOX family currently raise their
cows and cattle on is exceedingly fertile. Edgar said that they
get three times the yield of crops that an equivalent acreage
would yield in most of England. They also graze their cows on
nearby fields leased from other owners - just as the OLIVER family
did years before them and likely some of the same fields in Enagh
and other neighbouring townlands. Using of all these
fields, they currently raise about 150 milking cows as well as
350 assorted cattle. It is a 365 day a year undertaking - a job
with little mercy for those days when a back might ache, or a
body feel the chills. In spite of the advantages of contemporary
mechanization, it is likely that earlier genererations experienced
much of the same ongoing labour and fears over the vagarities
of the markets, weather and such. Still and all, to feel the
soft muzzle of a new born calf, or to watch the sun pull the
mist up from the early morning fields, it is a job and a place
with its own particular glories.
The house that Thompson
BROWN built was certainly built to last. The pitch-pine
used in the original window casement has never rotted. In fact,
there isn't a bit of dry rot anywhere. I can attest to the
fact that even to this day the stairs don't creak - a testament
to a well built house. Over the years, some changes have been
made. I am told that the lead roofing that can be seen on the
earlier black and white photo was removed during WWI so it
could be melted down for bullets. The room that was the maid's
working area is now a small family den. Family memories of
the house at Killynure include a toilet with a delft blue pattern
and bell pulls for the maids in all of the bedrooms. The
remnants of the bell pulls can still be seen.
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It is interesting to compare the two maps beneath. The one on the left was done at the time of Griffiths Valuation in 1864, which would have been before the brick structre above was built. The drawing shows three buildings arranged in a horseshoe, with another building to the east of that. About 30 years earlier, this map done in 1835 shows only two buildings, facing each other. It is curious, given the pattern of tree plantings which continue past the buildings. |
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In the mid 1800s, the house to the west of Killynure would have
been the home of William MENARY who married Mary
JACKSON.
In 1816 Benjamin
OLIVER - Mary JACKSON's grandfather (also the grandfather of
Sir Thomas JACKSON) - planted 270 trees at Killynure &
Enagh - not that these were the trees shown in the map beneath
(the old orchard). The trees that Benjamin planted were "ash,
larch, scotch fir and spruce fir" (see: Killinure
Tree Planting: 1816.)
I am told by a local neighbour, Eugene Fegan, that the original
Oliver home was the more usual low bungalow style with a thatched
roof. No pictures of this are known to me,
but the home of Henry William OLIVER of Dungannon, Co. Tyrone is
very similar. I am guessing that the white building to your left
as you enter from the driveway may very well have been the original
home.
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Family lore has it that one of the Oliver children died an untimely
death as a result of drowning in the well which is behind the current
house (covered by a substantial concrete slab!).
In 1865 - and here my note-taking was a little shoddy as I was
rushed beyond all reason - Thomas & William OLIVER were still
the occupiers of KILLYNURE, the immediate Lessors were the Vicars
Choral of ARMAGH (which meant that they leased the land from them)
and the rateable annual income was £60.10.0. I am assuming
that Thomas and William were the brothers of Elizabeth
OLIVER as according to her marriage certificate, she was
resident at Killynure at the time of her marriage in 1838. Thomas
OLIVER is also mentioned as resident in Killinure in the March
31, 1865 probate of the will of Barbara DONALDSON.
Theresa NICHOL née FEGAN and her brother Eugene FEGAN are
decendants of the O'NEILs who lived at Killynure. She recalls that
her great-grandfather or great-grandmother went to the school that
either the OLIVERs or the BROWNs had on the hill at Killynure. Her
Great Grandmother was Mary O’NEIL
and her Great Aunt’s Rose & Anna O’NEIL. Consintine
O’NEIL
and his son Consintine O’NEIL also went to that school. There
was a gatehouse at the entrance where Mr. MacIRATH lived. Mosey THOMPSON
worked there as did John O’HAGEN and Charlie McCOY and Patty
McSHANE.
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1714 ARCHIBISHOP OF ARMAGH-
A return of the tenant names of the Town of Armagh returned at the Manor Court held by the Archbishop of Armagh in April 1714:
No 1371 |
Samuel Munarry, Presbyterian
(Townland of Kellenure)
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NOTE: I would take this to be Samuel MENARY of Killynure. In later years, the MENARYs lived in the townland to the west of Killynure, Magherkilcranny. I need to recheck this source for other names. |
KILLYNURE FREEHOLDER RECORDS (now available on line at PRONI):
Name of Freeholder |
Place of
Abode |
Situation of
Freehold |
Landlord's
Name |
Value of
Freehold |
Names of Life or Lives or other Tenure |
Place & Date of Registry |
Oliver, Benjamin |
Killynure |
Knockagraffy |
The King |
20 |
Lawrence, James & Neal Nugent |
Armagh,
6 June 1829 |
Oliver, William |
Killynure |
Knockagraffy |
William Oliver |
20 |
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Armagh,
Nov. 6, 1832 |
KILLYNURE 1850 GRIFFITHS: Most were lessees from the Vicars Choral of Armagh Cathedral.
Last Name |
First Name |
Notes |
Couser |
Joseph |
"Rep" I would think that they lived
at the section to the south of the road to Monaghan, bounded by
the road up to Aghavilly (see map above). St. Mark's burial records
for Killynure COUSERs include: Mary COUSER (1881-1935); William
Benjamin COUSER (1876-1942) and Margaret COUSER (1878-1969). The bus stop there is called Couser's Corner. |
Couser |
Wm. Sr. |
He likely lived in the neighbouring townland of Aghavilly. |
Couser |
Wm. Jr. |
He likely lived in the neighbouring townland of Aghavilly. |
Dennis |
Henry |
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Donaghy |
Mary |
Mary & Sarah leased a garden sized plot with no buildings. |
Donaghy |
Sarah |
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Lennon |
James |
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Oliver |
Thomas |
Thomas OLIVER (abt 1812-1867) a son of Benjamin OLIVER. He and his brother held the largest and most valuable lease. |
Oliver |
William |
William OLIVER (Abt 1810-1873) a son of Benjamin OLIVER |
Oliver |
Wm. |
As above. |
O'Neil |
Arthur |
O’NEILs were also dressmakers. Their
descendants include Theresa NICHOL née FEGAN and her brother
Eugene FEGAN. Arthur O'NEIL held title to a small unoccupied building, and leased other land. The valuation of his leased land was the second most substantial holding in the townland. |
O'Neil |
Felix |
Felix O’NEIL was a strongman who went
to America. He lived up on the hill, to the north east of the OLIVER house. |
Skillen |
John |
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Taggert |
Samuel |
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ERECTED
IN LOVING MEMORY
JOHN COUSER, KILLINURE
WHO DIED 6th NOVEMBER1885
AGED 57 YEARS
ALSO HIS WIFE
MARGARET
WHO DIED 17th FEBRUARY 1922
AGED 78 YEARS
Photographed in 2006 at St. Marks, Armagh.
John COUSER (1828-1885)
Margaret McKEW (1844-1922)
Letitia Couser, b. 8 Jan 1869, Father: John Couser, Mother: Margaret McKew, Killynure, Co. Armagh |
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COUSERs from Killynure: Burials in St, Marks Records (NOTE: John above is not noted, although his gravemarker is in the St. Marks Graveyard)
Plot No |
Address |
Surname |
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Interred |
Age |
14176 |
Killynure,
Milford |
COUSER |
Mary |
1 |
1 |
1935 |
54.0 |
14471 |
Killynure,
Milford |
COUSER |
William Benjamin |
8 |
5 |
1942 |
66.0 |
15431 |
Killynure,
Milford |
COUSER |
Margaret |
6 |
4 |
1969 |
91.0 |
COUSER & Killynure links. SOURCE: Cowzer Family Genealogy Site
Place |
Date |
Name |
Parents |
Birth date |
Killynure, Armagh, Ireland |
1869 |
James Armstrong COUSER |
William COUSER
Anna McWATTERS |
3 Feb 1869 |
Killynure, Armagh, Ireland |
1869 |
Letitia COUSER |
John COUSER
Margaret McKEW
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8 Jan 1869 |
Killynure, Armagh, Armagh, Ireland |
1870 |
John Mc Watters COUSER |
William COUSER
Anna McWATTERS |
5 Feb 1870 |
Cavanacaw, Armagh, Ireland |
1870 |
Sarah Mary COUSER |
James COUSER
Anne ALISON |
1 Sep 1870 |
Killynure, Armagh, Armagh, Ireland |
1871 |
COUSER Unnamed female |
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13 Apr 1871 |
A news article from the ARMAGH GUARDIAN, 26 August, 1845:
HAY TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION
On Saturday, the 30th of August, instant, at
Lisdrumard and Killynure,
about two miles from Armagh,
(by order of Messrs. Thomas and
William Oliver,)
ELEVEN LARGE PIKES of PRIME WELL-SAVED
FORCE GRASS HAY, the growth of the years 1843,
1844, and 1845. Sale to commence at Lisdrumard, at eleven o’clock.—
Terms at Sale. DANIEL M’ALLEN, Auctioneer.
Killynure, 19th August, 1845.
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How the following fits into Killynure's ownership, I don't know:
Armagh Guardian December 3, 1844
NARROW ESCAPE.--As William Maunsell, Esq.,
of Killinure House,
was out with the harriers on Saturday last, near Athlone, he
charged what he thought was a four foot wall, but at the other
side was a deep pit. Owing to the goodness of his mare his
life was saved, for she made an extraordinary spring, and reached
the bank with her fore feet, so that he was able to throw himself
on the bank; she fell back into the pit, from which she was
extricated, but much injured.
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LANDOWNERS OF COUNTY ARMAGH 1870s- Compiled by Jean RICE
John COUSER Sr., address Killynure, Armagh, owned 13 acres
William COUSER same address owned 13 acres
William OLIVER, of Killynure, Armagh, owned 55 acres.
Arthur O'NEIL, address Killynure, Armagh owned 38 acres.
COUNTY ARMAGH 100 YEARS AGO. BASSETTS'S 1888 DIRECTORY
BROWN, T. Killynure.
COUSER, W. Jun., Killynure (also a Samuel and a David COUSER at Aghavilly)
MONTGOMERY, R. Killynure
O'NEIL, Felix, Killynure
KILLYNURE - ARMAGH PROBATE RECORDS
SURNAME |
GIVEN NAME |
YEAR |
TYPE |
LOCATION |
CO |
RECORD |
NOTES |
Dobbin |
John |
1771 |
W |
Killynure |
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Armagh |
Could be a
son of James DOBBIN & Mary OLIVER m. Dec 6, 1711 |
Graham |
Henry |
1833 |
AB |
Killinure |
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Clogher |
An Anne GRAHAM married
a William OLIVER on Dec 4, 1823. |
Graham |
Henry |
1833 |
W |
Killinure |
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Clogher |
An Anne GRAHAM married
a William OLIVER on Dec 4, 1823 |
Hughes |
Arthur |
1796 |
W |
Killynure |
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Armagh |
He probably
married an OLIVER- or a DOBBIN! |
Kernaghan |
James |
1787 |
W |
Killynure |
Arm |
Armagh |
An Eliza KERNAHAN
married a Benjamin OLIVER Jan 22, 1864. They had a daughter Annie
in 1866. NOTE: Another source has the marriage at Ballybay, Co. Monaghan on April 1, 1863. |
Oliver |
Benjamin |
1832 |
W |
Killynure |
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Armagh |
This is
the husband of Elizabeth BRADFORD (1785-1825 )and
our ancestor for sure |
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