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The will of John OLIVER after the tree on this page. Photos showing his son Simon Francis OLIVER and some of his family start us off. The known descendants of Simon Francis OLIVER, many of whom live in or near the City of Armagh, are all Roman Catholic, but their DNA is a perfect match with my OLIVER family - who were all Protestant and were likely descended from Huguenots.
Sharon Oddie Brown Initially uploaded May 16, 2013
NOTE: I have retained the links from the rootsweb version of this tree because they include more details about sources, but it has been impossible to update since December 2017.
Updated June 10, 2017. KANE-OLIVER connections added. Many members of this branch of the family emigrated to America and Canada in the early 20th century.
Updated February 28, 2019. Much new BMD data has been entered. Some of it has revealed is how often the family of John OLIVER and Margaret ROCK(S) must have moved between family homes in Ballycrummy, Navan and Tullymore (Parishes Eglish & Armagh). Also the OLIVER-McCREESH conection has opened new avenues of enquiry with respect to the MALLONs of Brootally.

Olivers of Ballycrummy and environs

Oliver family from Ballycrummy Oliver family from Ballycrummy

L-R child- Aideen TONER; Maggie TONER née OLIVER; Father CLANCY; (boy in front) Jim TONER - son of Maggie TONER née OLIVER, Esther OLIVER née DONALDSON; Josephine OLIVER, daughter of Simon Francis & Esther OLIVER, died of a bicycle accident; Oliver TONER. Photo dated 1951. Thanks to Francis & Maureen OLIVER.
NOTE: An email in 2014 from Laura TONER mentions that Oliver TONER was likely her father known as Francis Oliver TONER. He died Feb 2014. Her uncle Jim TONER died before that. Another email in 2013 from Jo COOK says that the photo likely predates the birth of her mother Esther Josephine TONER, daughter of Maggie TONER née OLIVER.

L-R Francis OLIVER; Elizabeth OLIVER née McCRILLY; Esther OLIVER (daughter of James OLIVER & Elizabeth McCRILLY); Simon Francis OLIVER (1876-1952);Marie OLIVER; with Josephine OLIVER. NOTE: "Aunt Josephine OLIVER, daughter of Simon Francis & Esther OLIVER, died of a bicycle accident".
PHOTO dated 1951. Thanks to Francis & Maureen OLIVER.

 

OLIVERS of BALLYCRUMMY

 

See also Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich Memorial Library for much of the original source material that enabled my start on this tree. Kieran McConville deserves significant credit for starting me on the right path. Mareen OLIVER of Ballycrummy took me to the family graves in the graveyard behind St. Patrick's (Catholic) Cathedral in the City of Armagh. She and Francis also taught me a lot about local history and townlands.

 

NOTE: It is possible that the family of Margaret ROCK may have been one of the Cladybeg ROCKS. It was home to the McCULLAGHs who also married into OLIVERs. It is also possible that she was a sister of the Sarah ROCK(s) who was housekeeper to William OLIVER of Killynure. See his 1873 will. She seems to have died at Ballynagalliagh, Parish Lisnadill in 1884, and may have held a small lease in 1856 at Ballycoffee, Parish Lisnadill near Simon ROCKS. (I need to do more deeds work on these townlands)


Because of some DNA data as well as several family land transactions, we know that there is a close family connection between the OLIVERs of Ballycrummy and the OLIVERs of Killynure. Based on the marriage record at the Cardinal O'Fiaiche Library, the father of John OLIVER b abt 1841 was another John OLIVER. If this record is not accurate (not imposible), then it is possible that John OLIVER's father might have been a James OLIVER (1769-1852), son of William OLIVER (1730-1816) and Elizabeth STEEL. This James OLIVER died at Brookley [sic], Armagh, on the 31st Ult., James OLIVER, Esq., aged 83, the last member of the Armagh company of Volunteers [BNL Nov 5 1852]. He was a brother of Benjamin OLIVER (1765-1831). Another possibility is that William OLIVER (1730-1816) had a son named John OLIVER whose presence has yet to be found in the records. Stay tuned!

 

DESCENDANTS of JOHN OLIVER b abt 1810, probably in Tullymore, Parish of Armagh, Co. Armagh.

 

1 John OLIVER b: Abt 1841 d: 17 Dec 1909 Ballycrummy, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh. His son James OLIVER was present at his death of heart disease. He was variousaly described as a labourer and/or quarryman. NOTE: Oral history from the branch of the family in Birmingham indicates that he converted to the Catholic faith, likely at the time of his marriage. His father, according to his marriage cert, was a John OLIVER. I would assume that this John OLIVER was a Protestant and most likely a Presbyterian whose family were farmers with interests in linen.

  + Margaret ROCK b: Abt 1837 d: 23 Aug 1905 Ballycrummy, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh m 8 May 1863 St. Patrick's Cathedral (RC), City of Armagh.

    2 James OLIVER b: 21 Jan 1864 Navan, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh d: 22 Apr 1913 Ballycrummy, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh

    2 Anne OLIVER b: 2 Jan 1866 Tullymore, Parish of Armagh c. 4 Jan 1866, St. Patrick's Cathedral (RC) Armagh, Co. Armagh d: 24 Aug 1925 late of Creevekeeran, Co. Armagh NOTE: I have more work to do here, but it seems from the census records that shemust have become Presbyterian & her children were Presbyterian. Much of the info I have comes from some legal documents concerning land transfers, and the ages are not always in agreement with the census records.

      + William KANE d: 9 Nov 1891 m. 26 Aug 1861, d. 9 Nov 1891, par. John KANE and Unknown

        3 Thomas KANE d: 27 Apr 1934

        3 John KANE d: aft 1944

        3 Margaret KANE d: aft 1944

          + John SEMPEY

        3 Elizabeth KANE d. After 1944, of Train Street, Keady, Armagh

          + Thomas BURNS d: Aft 1943

            4 Anna Irwin BURNS

              + William FLANAGAN

            4 Elizabeth BURNS

        3 William KANE d: 1938

        3 Charles KANE d: 1940

        3 Samuel KANE d: After 1944

        3 Jane Anne KANE b: 1878 of Creevekeeran, Derryhaw, Co. Armagh, d. After 1962

    2 John OLIVER b:1 Feb 1868, Tullymore, Parish of Armagh, Co. Armagh, c. 2 Feb 1868, d. Motherwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland

      + Margaret DONNELLY b. abt 1876 Ballycrummy m. 13 Sep 1896, St. Patrick's Cathedral RC, Parish of Armagh, d. 16 Jul 1917, Ballycrummy, Armagh, Co. Armagh, par. Henry DONNELLY and Margaret UNNAMED

        3 John OLIVER b: 9 Jul 1897 , c. 10 Jul 1897, St. Patrick's Cathedral (RC) Armagh, Co. Armagh, d. btw 1976-1977 Armagh. m. Sep 21 1926 Susan McGLONE of Lurgyvallen. He went to America, and then returned. He died at St. Luke's Mental Hospital,. Co. Armagh. She remarried.

          + Susan McGLONE b. Abt 1908, of Lurgyvallen, m. 21 Sep 1926, St. Patrick's Cathedral (RC) Armagh, Co. Armagh, par. Thomas McGLONE and Elizabeth DONALDSON

            4 Living Son - name not yet known - of Exeter Devon, England

        3 Margaret OLIVER b: 18 Mar 1899 Navan, Parish Eglish, Co. Armagh d: 5 Apr 1899 Ballycrummy, Armagh, Co. Armagh

        3 Mary OLIVER b: Jan 1901 Ballycrummy d: 14 Dec 1905 Ballycrummy, Armagh, Co. Armagh

        3 Francis OLIVER b. Dec 8, 1902 Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh d. Dec 1993 Birmingham, England.

          + Elizabeth McCREESH b. 27 Jul 1901, Irish Street, Armagh, d. 17 Oct 1950, par. James McCREESH and Alice MALLON of Brootally. NOTE: There were several OLIVERs from the Presbyterian line who also held land at Brootally, and includes a William OLIVER who married a Mary Anne MALLON. Following the MALLON line may provide the clue to finding out how and where the Catholic and Protestant branches of the family connect.

               4 Unnamed Baby buried at Yardley Cemetery

               4 Terence OLIVER 1945-2015 NOTE: He was adopted.

          + Jane CONNOR b. 28 Jan 1916 Birmingham m. Corpus Christi church Stechford Birmingham, 8 Aug 1955. d. 24 Apr 2013, Birmingham, England

               4 Living OLIVER

        3 Margaret OLIVER b.13 Apr 1905 d. (probably) btw 1911-1925

        3 Henry OLIVER b: Jun 1908 Ballycrummy, Parish of Armagh, Co. Armagh c. 3 Jun 1908, St Patrick's Cathedral, RC, City of Armagh, Co. Armagh d. btw 1976-1977 Belfast

              +. Lily (last name not known)

               4 Unnamed Daughter.

        3 Anne OLIVER b: Nov 1910 c. 6 Nov 1910, St. Patrick's Cathedral (RC) Armagh, Co. Armagh, d. 23 Dec 1910

    2 Patrick OLIVER b: 4 Mar 1870 [His family lived at Tullymore] born Primrose Hill, Armagh, Co. Armagh, c. of Ballycrummy, d. After 1911

      + Sarah DONNELLY b: Abt 1874 of Tullynickle, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh, m. 26 Sep 1906, Parish of Armagh

        3 Patrick OLIVER b: Mar 1909 Banbrook Hill

    2 Bernard OLIVER b: 30 May 1872 [His family lived at Tullymore] born Primrose Hill, Armagh, Co. Armagh.

    2 Joseph OLIVER b: 30 Jul 1874 c. 30 Jul 1874, St. Patrick's Cathedral (RC) Armagh, Co. Armagh d: Aft 1911

      + Mary Jane MCCOY b: 1877 of Co. Tyrone, m. 4 Nov 1897, Benburb Roman Catholic Church, Dungannon, Co. Tyrone, d: Aft 1911 Of Navan Street., Armagh par. Thomas McCOY and Anne (lastname?)

        3 John OLIVER b: 13 Aug 1898, Primrose Hill, [family lived at Navan St]., Co. Armagh

          + Elizabeth EARLY m. 3 Nov 1918, St. Paul's Belfast

        3 Thomas James OLIVER b: 12 Oct 1900 Umgola, Co. Armagh, c. 12 Oct 1900, St Patrick Cathedral Armagh (RC)

        3 Joseph OLIVER b: 21 Nov 1903

          + Catherine MACKEY m. 26 May 1924

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living HAMILL

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Hugh OLIVER d: 22 Sep 1991

                  +  KATHLEEN d: 13 Apr 2005

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living SHERRY

                5 Stephen SHERRY b: Abt 1976 d: Abt 1996

                5 Living SHERRY

        3 Francis OLIVER b: Abt 1910

    2 Simon Francis OLIVER b: 4 Oct 1876 d: 10 Jun 1952 Ballycrummy, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh, Bur. St. Patricks Cathedral (Catholic) City of Armagh, Armagh

      + Esther DONALDSON b 12 Jan 1881 Ballinahonemore, Co. Armagh m. 13 Jun 1911, Parish of Armaghd: 6 Jun 1950 Bur. St. Patricks Cathedral (Catholic) City of Armagh, Armagh, par. John DONALDSON and Margaret WELSH

        3 James OLIVER b: 22 Sep 1916 d: 19 Nov 2009

          + Elizabeth MCCRILLY b: 13 Jul 1922 Grange-Blundel, Parish Grange, Co. Armagh, m. 1945 d: 13 Aug 2012. Parents Charles McCRILLY and Elizabeth CURRAN

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living LENNON

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living SHERIDAN

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living LEONARD

                5 Living LEONARD

                5 Living LEONARD

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living MCKENNA

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living BLACK

                5 Living BLACK

                5 Living BLACK

            4 Mary Bridget OLIVER b: 1963 d: 1963

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 Patrick OLIVER b: 1925 d: 11 Sep 2001 Ballycrummy, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh

          + Living M'GLONE

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Kevin MCCARTEN b: 18 Sep 1982 d: 16 May 1999

            4 Cathal OLIVER b: 31 Aug 1955 d: 15 May 2013

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 Francis OLIVER d: 22 Oct 1987

          + Phyllis MCCOY d: 22 May 1999

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 John Anthony OLIVER b: 1912 d: 26 Oct 1999

          + Mary Eliza MCGILL b: 1908m. 10 Jun 1926, St Patrick's Cathedral [RC], Armagh, d: 9 Oct 1992 Grangemore

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Kathryn d: 10 Mar 2005

                5 Patricia OLIVER d: 17 Aug 2007

                5 Bernadette OLIVER b: 1975 d: 8 Feb 2004

                  + Living MCCANN

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 Josephine OLIVER d: 8 Feb 1963 of Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh

        3 Margaret OLIVER

              + TONER

            4 Francis Oliver TONER d. Feb 2014

            4 James aka Jim TONER d. bef Feb 2014

            4 Living TONER aft 1951

    2 Thomas OLIVER b: 19 Mar 1879 Navan, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh, d: 24 Aug 1880

, Navan, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh

 

 

1909 Will of John Oliver Ballycrummy

 

This is the last Will and Testament of me John Oliver[1] of Ballycrummy[2] in the County of Armagh made this sixth day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand nine hundred and nine. I hereby revoke all wills by me at any time heretofore made, appoint my two sons Simon Francis Oliver[3] and James Oliver[4] to be my Executors and I direct that all my just debts and funeral and Testamentary Expenses shall be paid as soon as possible after my decease. I hereby give and bequeath unto my son James Oliver my farm of land in Ballycrummy, and will and bequeath unto my son Simon Francis my farm of land in Drumcoot[5] and I also allow him his share of my house in Ballycrummy if he works agreeable with my son James Oliver to work together as now for at least five years till the stock and chattels to be equally divided between my two sons Simon Francis and James Oliver of Ballycrummy. To my son Joseph Oliver[6] ten pounds. To my son Patrick Oliver[7] ten pounds. To James Lynch[8] a boy now living with me ten pounds provided he stays here for five years. All monies to be paid not later than five years. In case my son Simon Francis succeeds my son James my farm of land in Ballycrummy to go to my son Simon Francis. In case my son Simon Francis dies without heir my farm of land in Drumcoot to go to my son James Oliver and if my two sons Simon Francis and James dies without heir my two farms of (over) land to go to my son Patrick Oliver if alive if not my son John Oliver to succeed. The word succeed on Fourth line of first page should be survive instead of succeed as written.

 

John Oliver

 

Signed published and declared by the said Testator and for his last Will and Testament, in presence of me, who, at his request, in his presence, and in presence of each other, have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses.

George Loughran[9], Ballycrummy, farmer

Michael Garvey[10], Farmer, Ballyrath

 

Thomas W. Cowan[11] Deputy District Registrar.

Probate 6th April 1910.



[1] John OLIVER b abt 1841. Died December 17, 1909. He was probably born at Tullymore. His wife, Margaret ROCK was alive in 1901, but may have died before this will. More research is needed. It is possible that a son Bernard died as a child, since there is no further reference to him. Another son, John is not mentioned. He was married with children. There is also no mention of a daughter Anne, who died as a spinster. There is also no mention of the youngest son, Thomas.

[2] Ballycrummy, Parish Armagh, Co. Armagh. It is on the southern border of Drumcoote

[3] Simon Francis OLIVER born October 8, 1876 at Ballycrummy and probably died there on June 10th, 1952. He was the  7th child, and 6th son.

[4] James OLIVER, eldest son b. 1864.

[5] Drumcoot aka Drumcoote, Parish Armagh, Co. Armagh. it is on the northern border of Ballycrummy.

[6] Joseph OLIVER born July 30th, 1874. . He was the 6th child and 5th  son . He was already married with 3 children at the time of this will. It is possible that he already had his share of the estate.

[7] Patrick OLIVER born March 4, 1870 at Ballycrummy. He was already married with a son Patrick born in March of the year of this will. It is possible that he already had his share of the estate.

[8] James LYNCH. In the 1901 Census, he was age 17 and a nephew of Margaret OLIVER nee ROCK. The only James LYNCH this age in the 1911 Census is living in Lurgen.

[9] George LOUGHRAN (1865-). In the 1901 Census he is residing in Ballycrummy with his wife and 5 sons.

[10] Michael GARVEY (1871-) In the 1901 Census he is resient in Ballyrath with his wife, 3 daughters & 2 sons.

[11] Thomas W. COWAN (1841-) was a clerk in the Probate Office. In the 1901 Census, he lived at 25 Abbey St. with his wife and son (Harold G.S. COWAN was also a clerk in the Probate Office).

 

 

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