The bits were cut from the Biography page of G.E. NOBLE since they no longer fit.
Sharon Oddie Brown. May 11, 2013
FAR FETCHED BITS ON NOBLE FAMILY - probably worth discounting:
In spite of hunches, I cannot yet prove any family
or other such connection between NOBLE and JACKSON nor whether
George Edward NOBLE had any Irish roots. The only birth evidence we
have suggests that he was born at Dulwich, England (just south of London)
- but as mentioned, we can't find a birth certificate (one
may yet emerge).
If he does happen to be connected to the NOBLE family of Carrigallen,
Co. Leitrim - and I wouldn't rule this out - (see beneath), then there
is a very strong possibility that there was a connection between himself
and Sir Thomas JACKSON that preceded his HSBC days - a connection of
either geography and/or family . At this
point, this is sheer speculation, but the NOBLE and JACKSON families
both share roots that go back to Cromwellian times in Ireland. Several
hunches about a NOBLE-JACKSON connection (Caution - they
may all prove to be dead ends) include:
- THE CAVAN OBSERVER AUGUST 6, 1864 In Bankruptcy
Sale of part of the townland of Bredagh, situate in the barony
of Carrigallen, and County of Leitrim. Court of bankruptcy and
insolvency In the Matter of ALEXANDER NOBLE, of Carrigallen, in
the County of Leitrim, Shopkeeper, a Bankrupt.
- Rev. William NOBLE
(tutor and uncle of Oscar WILDE). His first name also needs to
be authenticated since another source gives the uncle's name as
Rev. G. NOBLE of St. John's Church Edgeworthstown. He presided
at the funeral of Oscar WILDE's sister (1857-1867).(Many years
later Oscar wrote the poem Requiescat in her memory.)
- John NOBLE (b. 1829) and his brother James - both
involved in banking internationally with descendants in Australia
may prove to be interesting.
- Thomas NOBLE of Newry who
worked for the Bank of Ireland at 12 Trevor Hill in 1881.
- Wm. NOBLE who was a surveyor for Lord Charlemont who had a son
named George. Both time and place would fit if there is a connection
between himself and Sir Thomas.
- The Presbyterian Irish Diaspora post-famine was driven in part
by foreclosures on unprofitable lands. Another possible NOBLE connection:
William Alexander NOBLE Esq. was named as a trustee in the Court
of Cavan concerning the court ordered sale of an encumbered estate
on the 24th day of June, 1853 belonging to John Baker. It
involved a number of properties, of which one was described as:The
Mill of Drumcalpin, could, with little expense, be made double its
present value, and the whole is worth attention, being situate about
two miles from Belturbet, one from Butler'sbridge, and three from
the town of Cavan, excellent Market and Post towns.SEE: Anglo-Celt
Published in Cavan, County Cavan June 2, 1853
- Missionary work was another cause that impelled Protestant families
to leave Ireland. In 1859, an Arthur NOBLE is mentioned as a Wesleyan
minister in Dublin and he may have been connected to missions in
the Far East. Certainly, there were NOBLE family members involved
in missionary work in the Far East at this time (and it is worth
remembering that families often have several members in the same
occupation, in this case, the ministry). A Dr. NOBLE worked with
the Protestant mission at Paoting-fu before the Boxer rebellion.
Later in the century, other NOBLEs were involved in missionary work
in the Far East.
- Joseph Noble had a dental practice in Hong
Kong in the 1870s.
- John NOBLE had a watch and jewellery business in Hong Kong. I think
he died there in 1883. SOURCE: HK PRO
- A JW Noble asked for land on the Peak to build garden. [Thanks
to Eileen Scully]
- The Irish Presbyterian merchant class often were part of the ongoing
Irish Diaspora, so they are worth looking at when name and geography
connect. In 1845, a J.T. NOBLE Esq. of Russell Street, Armagh, County
Armagh is mentioned as a flax merchant (his fifth daughter Lucy died
age 6 on August 29th, 1845. A son John had died at age 19 in May.).
Adam NOBLE is worth noting in conjunction
with both JACKSONs and Urcher (the childhood home of Sir
Thomas JACKSON. Thanks to Roisin Lafferty for this. Email
March 10, 2007.
Registry of Deeds abstract
of wills 1746 to 1785. No 355 Johnston, Thomas,
Dublin, major of the 56 regt of foot 4 Oct 1765 narrate
2pp 1765. His wife Angel, his son Jno Johnston, his son
Henry Johnston, his brother in law, Adam Noble Longfield
Co. Monaghan esq, his brother in law Jackson Wray Ballycastle
Co. Antrim. and his brother John Johnston of Urcher Co.
Armagh Esq trustees. His niece Elizabeth Johnston, Daughter
of his brother Graham Johnston, the children of his sister
Charity Shekelton, the children of his brother John Johnston.
His estate of town and lands of Camilly, co. Armagh, and
Coofoord, Co Meath his dwelling house at Suffolk St Dublin,
Witnesses Thos Benson, Dublin clerk, Stephen Reynolds, Dublin
apothecary, John Wolverston gent Dublin Memorial witnessed
by John Wolverston, Jno hunter clerk to said John Wolverston.
241,183, 157946 Jackson Wray (seal)
- The Adam NOBLE of County Monaghan (mentioned above) was Captain
Lieutenant in the Regiment of Dragoons commanded by Col Cadwallader
BLAYNEY in 1756. The NOBLE family continued in the military vein.
Adam NOBLE of Longfield, Co. Monaghan was
JP Oct 3, 1758 & High Sherriff 1768. There may be a connection to
Captain NOBLE, the captain of the Kite (see beneath). Need
- Anne Noble, etc. 1841 July 17 sailed Appolline for Lond.
widow Cpt Noble of Transport Kite, imprisoned in China. China
Repository Vol 1 April 1841 pp. 199-204, has narrative of her
captivity and suffering. Feb 2 1843, died Amoy HMS Serpent
22 Jan, after a few days illness; Lt Edward Meadows Noble,
son Rear Adm Noble. SOURCE: HK PRO
- A narrative of the shipwreck
of the "Kite" and of the imprisonment and sufferings
of the crew and passengers as it was recounted in a letter
from Mrs. Anne Noble to a friend was published at Macao, China
(printed at the Canton Press Office, 1841). SOURCE:
SAOS: CWML N304
- It is not yet possible to know if this is what Eliza JACKSON (mother
of Sir Thomas JACKSON) is referring to in her letter of 1882, April
4: I hope the trip may do you good, but I dread sea voyages in
those latitudes. The fate of Mr. Noble can never be forgotten by
- P&O had a ship called "George Noble".